#2 2008-11-12 23:49:37
Emmeran's Mother wrote:
I live in the Deep South, I know the blacks down here. Don't measure our state by California. We have many more welfare blacks, blacks who don't WANT a job, and blacks who barely work at the jobs they have. Way too many are all too willing to blame someone else why they don't have all their wants and desires. After all "we owe them because their ancestors were slaves". And we still hear that and see it in articles they write. Many in the south are worried about the chance that we will have large civil uprisings if Biden ends up President. And yes, lots of guns are being bought down here, and many people who lived thru the 50's and 60's are worried that we will see the racial strife again.
You can all rant and rave and tell us that bigotry is gone, well, it may be hiding, but it isn't gone by a long shot. I've walked thru these streets with black foster children, and my black son. I have heard the slurs from both races. I watched reaction across the nation, especially in smaller towns and cities when we traveled with Ray. Service to a mixed race family?? at a restaurant or store? The USA is not as liberated as many think it is.
A lot of people think this country is color blind and integrated. They are wrong. Do you have your 14% of blacks in your company, and are 14% of your salaried people black? No, the races still live and work apart. We don't have 14% in congress either. Even in our city owned Fort Pierce Utility company, we don't have 14% salaried black employees. The black count is mainly in the sewer and water depts. digging ditches and patching lines and that includes the black secretaries.
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#3 2008-11-13 00:10:15
I hate to break her heart, but I don't believe any but the most delusional believe America is colorblind. That's one reason the election of Obama was so amazing.
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#4 2008-11-13 00:23:09
A Jigaboo was elected President? Our folks must take back the nation!
Get one for your Mom.
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#5 2008-11-13 00:38:15
Fuck Saxby Chambliss. I hate that son of a bitch almost as much as I hate my governor, Sonny Fucking Purdue.
That is all.
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#6 2008-11-13 00:40:42
Taint wrote:
This item is just for "our folks".
It's Georgia, silly. Every white person down there has a little coon in 'em.
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#7 2008-11-13 00:53:14
headkicker_girl wrote:
Taint wrote:
This item is just for "our folks".
It's Georgia, silly. Every white person down there has a little coon in 'em.
Good Lord, don't tell'em that!!! They'll stab themselves to death with forks, and believe you me, I don't want to clean up that mess no matter how bad it smells.
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#8 2008-11-13 04:11:16
headkicker_girl wrote:
It's Georgia, silly. Every white person down there has a little coon in 'em.
Why do you and so many other people say this? The gene flow in the US between black and white has for the most part been a flow into the black community. Thanks to the one drop rule, until very recently, mixed people were considered 100% black and had no socially recognizable partnership options other than with blacks. Very few Americans who are considered white have blacks hiding in their family trees. There are distinct populations of whites and blacks in America. As proof of what I’m saying, look at Mexico. Mexico at one time had a sizable black population. The blacks mixed with the natives to such an extent that they more or less disappeared. Very few Mexicans are recognizably black, but genetic analysis reveals a high percentage of African ancestry in the average mestizo. Most of them are unaware of this, will deny it, and hate blacks.
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#9 2008-11-13 08:20:49
Fnord is right. Back before they changed the water, an edict was issued by the Grand Wizard reqeuiring that all DNA go to regrooving school. Until very recently, all genes have been obedient and adhered to convention. But then one incorrigible drop snuck by and all hell has broken loose. Now it's even accepted in some locales that persons who appear to be of different races may ejaculate into one another. Imagine that. Fnord, please imagine being the receptacle. On second thought, it can be accomplished if you will just go fuck yourself.
We are all mutts. Get used to it.
No, on the off chance that fnord is James, or playing James, and provocation is his game, then I take it all back. 
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#10 2008-11-13 09:16:56
fnord wrote:
headkicker_girl wrote:
It's Georgia, silly. Every white person down there has a little coon in 'em.
Why do you and so many other people say this? The gene flow in the US between black and white has for the most part been a flow into the black community. Thanks to the one drop rule, until very recently, mixed people were considered 100% black and had no socially recognizable partnership options other than with blacks. Very few Americans who are considered white have blacks hiding in their family trees. There are distinct populations of whites and blacks in America. As proof of what I’m saying, look at Mexico. Mexico at one time had a sizable black population. The blacks mixed with the natives to such an extent that they more or less disappeared. Very few Mexicans are recognizably black, but genetic analysis reveals a high percentage of African ancestry in the average mestizo. Most of them are unaware of this, will deny it, and hate blacks.
All I know is that I have a number of relatives who have passed for white, married into white families, and the whites never even knew it. They all had white skin and dark, straight hair. They look Italian. My son could pass for white. He has white skin and blond/brown hair. Trust me, there's more black in the families down there than they care to admit.
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#11 2008-11-13 09:35:12
Sorry, but fnord's right. The whole thing about pervasive, systemic racism is that it's, well, kind of racist. If you were born into a black community you stayed in a black community, due to social pressures from both whites and blacks. It was exceedingly rare that someone born to African American parents would "pass" out of the community to the extent that they could marry somebody who was considered white, thereby producing kids that everybody calls white, but actually has some African genes. For instance, this guy:
was educated, middle class, and stuck in the nineteenth century. Everybody knew he was "black," even though if you saw him on the street today, you wouldn't necessarily think so. It would have been unthinkable for him to marry a white woman and have the kind of white children with black ancestry that you're thinking of. This system continued well through the mid-twentieth century.
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#12 2008-11-13 09:36:59
headkicker_girl wrote:
All I know is that I have a number of relatives who have passed for white, married into white families, and the whites never even knew it. They all had white skin and dark, straight hair. They look Italian. My son could pass for white. He has white skin and blond/brown hair. Trust me, there's more black in the families down there than they care to admit.
You're right, but you're talking about people in living memory; fnord and me are talking about before the twentieth century, when it really wasn't some kind of genetic grab-bag. I'm saying that there's not a whole lot of people with black ancestry from back in the day that they don't know about.
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#13 2008-11-13 11:18:27
ah297900 wrote:
headkicker_girl wrote:
All I know is that I have a number of relatives who have passed for white, married into white families, and the whites never even knew it. They all had white skin and dark, straight hair. They look Italian. My son could pass for white. He has white skin and blond/brown hair. Trust me, there's more black in the families down there than they care to admit.
You're right, but you're talking about people in living memory; fnord and me are talking about before the twentieth century, when it really wasn't some kind of genetic grab-bag. I'm saying that there's not a whole lot of people with black ancestry from back in the day that they don't know about.
No, I'm talking about since 1860. There are entire branches of my family, on both sides, that have disappeared because they have gone white. They simply moved to a different town, changed their name, stated that they had no living relatives, and made a fresh start. Many of them actually still kept in touch with the other members via secret letters. In the black community no one ratted you out because you wanted your family members to have better life.
I have a great uncle who died about 20 years ago. He was 95. He was married to a white woman who never knew he was black. They had a daughter who had the classic Italian look that my family passed along...long black hair and fair skin. The daughter died in a car accident, but had she lived, she would have never known she was black and probably would have married white.
It happened more often than white people care to admit.
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#14 2008-11-13 17:00:35
headkicker_girl wrote:
It happened more often than white people care to admit.
Just so I'm clear: it's not that I don't want to admit it that it happened; I'd much prefer it if it were common. I was just working from the understanding of race I gathered from my study of the nineteenth century. I've actually done a lot of primary research about race in the nineteenth century, combing through newspapers and such--it's not like I was expressing my personal hopes, or just pulling something out of my ass.
The idea of secretly changing names, changing towns, and denying the past is a good reason that it's so rare to find people passing in the documentary record. I would imagine, though, that it was a lot easier to get away with in the northern and western US, as opposed to the south (we were first talking about Georgia, but that's beside the point).
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#15 2008-11-13 17:42:05
ah297900 wrote:
headkicker_girl wrote:
It happened more often than white people care to admit.
Just so I'm clear: it's not that I don't want to admit it that it happened; I'd much prefer it if it were common. I was just working from the understanding of race I gathered from my study of the nineteenth century. I've actually done a lot of primary research about race in the nineteenth century, combing through newspapers and such--it's not like I was expressing my personal hopes, or just pulling something out of my ass.
The idea of secretly changing names, changing towns, and denying the past is a good reason that it's so rare to find people passing in the documentary record. I would imagine, though, that it was a lot easier to get away with in the northern and western US, as opposed to the south (we were first talking about Georgia, but that's beside the point).
All my relatives are from the south. Some just moved to different parts of the south, which essentially was far enough away so that you wouldn't run into anyone who knew you (i.e., from Tennessee to Tulsa, or from Georgia to Mississippi.) One branch went from Pine Bluffs, Arkansas to St. Louis, which is where we lost track of them. Anyone doing research would have to devote a great deal of time to oral history, because if you look at the census records, people just disappear.
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#16 2008-11-13 18:26:53
headkicker_girl wrote:
ah297900 wrote:
headkicker_girl wrote:
It happened more often than white people care to admit.
Just so I'm clear: it's not that I don't want to admit it that it happened; I'd much prefer it if it were common. I was just working from the understanding of race I gathered from my study of the nineteenth century. I've actually done a lot of primary research about race in the nineteenth century, combing through newspapers and such--it's not like I was expressing my personal hopes, or just pulling something out of my ass.
The idea of secretly changing names, changing towns, and denying the past is a good reason that it's so rare to find people passing in the documentary record. I would imagine, though, that it was a lot easier to get away with in the northern and western US, as opposed to the south (we were first talking about Georgia, but that's beside the point).All my relatives are from the south. Some just moved to different parts of the south, which essentially was far enough away so that you wouldn't run into anyone who knew you (i.e., from Tennessee to Tulsa, or from Georgia to Mississippi.) One branch went from Pine Bluffs, Arkansas to St. Louis, which is where we lost track of them. Anyone doing research would have to devote a great deal of time to oral history, because if you look at the census records, people just disappear.
Which makes your family's ancedotes quite fascinating. My Mom has some professional and published historian friends. This makes me want to probe them on the subject of tracking racial drift when we next get together over the holidays. One has already done a great amount of research on the vanishing of New England's native americans.
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#17 2008-11-13 18:36:17
My point in mentioning the more or less one way flow of DNA in the US vs. Mexico was to make the point that this is the reason there are two separate populations in the US, one of more or less African origin and the other of European origin. In Mexico, which didn’t have a strict color line, the African population merged
into the larger Indian and to a lesser extent the Spanish population. This wasn’t possible in America; the man below was considered black.
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#18 2008-11-13 18:39:56
fnord wrote:
My point in mentioning the more or less one way flow of DNA in the US vs. Mexico was to make the point that this is the reason there are two separate populations in the US, one of more or less African origin and the other of European origin. In Mexico, which didn’t have a strict color line, the African population merged
into the larger Indian and to a lesser extent the Spanish population. This wasn’t possible in America; the man below was considered black.
http://i36.tinypic.com/30a3juu.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/ifwjv5.jpg
Spoken like a man with a nigger in his proverbial woodshed.
No wonder you're so irritable, you half-breed beast.
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#19 2008-11-13 18:50:42
jesusluvspegging wrote:
fnord wrote:
My point in mentioning the more or less one way flow of DNA in the US vs. Mexico was to make the point that this is the reason there are two separate populations in the US, one of more or less African origin and the other of European origin. In Mexico, which didn’t have a strict color line, the African population merged
into the larger Indian and to a lesser extent the Spanish population. This wasn’t possible in America; the man below was considered black.
http://i36.tinypic.com/30a3juu.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/ifwjv5.jpgSpoken like a man with a nigger in his proverbial woodshed.
No wonder you're so irritable, you half-breed beast.
I’m not descended from any mixed race individuals like Charles Chesnutt. My ancestry has been documented on both sides; I am of 100% European decent.
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#20 2008-11-13 18:55:52
fnord wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
fnord wrote:
My point in mentioning the more or less one way flow of DNA in the US vs. Mexico was to make the point that this is the reason there are two separate populations in the US, one of more or less African origin and the other of European origin. In Mexico, which didn’t have a strict color line, the African population merged
into the larger Indian and to a lesser extent the Spanish population. This wasn’t possible in America; the man below was considered black.
http://i36.tinypic.com/30a3juu.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/ifwjv5.jpgSpoken like a man with a nigger in his proverbial woodshed.
No wonder you're so irritable, you half-breed beast.I’m not descended from any mixed race individuals like Charles Chesnutt. My ancestry has been documented on both sides; I am of 100% European decent.
Sure, and if you believe that I've got a very black bridge to sell you.
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#21 2008-11-13 18:57:07
fnord wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
fnord wrote:
My point in mentioning the more or less one way flow of DNA in the US vs. Mexico was to make the point that this is the reason there are two separate populations in the US, one of more or less African origin and the other of European origin. In Mexico, which didn’t have a strict color line, the African population merged
into the larger Indian and to a lesser extent the Spanish population. This wasn’t possible in America; the man below was considered black.
http://i36.tinypic.com/30a3juu.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/ifwjv5.jpgSpoken like a man with a nigger in his proverbial woodshed.
No wonder you're so irritable, you half-breed beast.I’m not descended from any mixed race individuals like Charles Chesnutt. My ancestry has been documented on both sides; I am of 100% European decent.
And those Europeans were descended from...?
Niggers.
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#22 2008-11-13 19:03:49
You can believe what you want about your own background. Many of my ancestors were movers and shakers in history, as a result, I can trace my background much further than most Americans. That’s why I know for a fact that I’m not mixed.
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#23 2008-11-13 19:11:50
I personally like tracing my ancestry back to simpler animals like the fish and early mammal-like reptiles... Life to them was nothing more than eating and fucking and those are the two things I enjoy the most, everything else pisses me off....
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#24 2008-11-13 19:12:27
jesusluvspegging wrote:
And those Europeans were descended from...?
Niggers.
Apperently, from my understanding of Fnordisms, that he is descended from niggars does not bother him in the least. Fnord is no scientific revisionist or anything. Fearful of sharing some genes with the mud people. As long as there has been no racial mixing in the last 4,000 years or so you are good to go. Evolution has run its course and altered some key genes of the Northern Europeans to create a more civilised man.
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#25 2008-11-13 19:23:21
fnord wrote:
My point in mentioning the more or less one way flow of DNA in the US vs. Mexico was to make the point that this is the reason there are two separate populations in the US, one of more or less African origin and the other of European origin. In Mexico, which didn’t have a strict color line, the African population merged
into the larger Indian and to a lesser extent the Spanish population. This wasn’t possible in America; the man below was considered black.
That's only because he self-identified as black. Had he moved to a different town and changed his name, no one would have been the wiser.
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#26 2008-11-13 19:32:01
Johnny_Rotten wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
And those Europeans were descended from...?
Niggers.Apperently, from my understanding of Fnordisms, that he is descended from niggars does not bother him in the least. Fnord is no scientific revisionist or anything. Fearful of sharing some genes with the mud people. As long as there has been no racial mixing in the last 4,000 years or so you are good to go. Evolution has run its course and altered some key genes of the Northern Europeans to create a more civilised man.
That's what I've gathered as well. If he'd look at the death tolls of European wars vs. African wars he might notice that we're all pissed off monkeys only interested in throwing poop and fucking.
I swear, I don't know why I bothered dying for you fucks.
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#27 2008-11-13 19:36:34
jesusluvspegging wrote:
Johnny_Rotten wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
And those Europeans were descended from...?
Niggers.Apperently, from my understanding of Fnordisms, that he is descended from niggars does not bother him in the least. Fnord is no scientific revisionist or anything. Fearful of sharing some genes with the mud people. As long as there has been no racial mixing in the last 4,000 years or so you are good to go. Evolution has run its course and altered some key genes of the Northern Europeans to create a more civilised man.
That's what I've gathered as well. If he'd look at the death tolls of European wars vs. African wars he might notice that we're all pissed off monkeys only interested in throwing poop and fucking.
I swear, I don't know why I bothered dying for you fucks.
That's a lie!
Sometimes we throw sticks, rocks, whatever the fuck isn't nailed down. That poop thing is such a stereotype.
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#28 2008-11-13 19:45:54
tojo2000 wrote:
jesusluvspegging wrote:
That's what I've gathered as well. If he'd look at the death tolls of European wars vs. African wars he might notice that we're all pissed off monkeys only interested in throwing poop and fucking.
I swear, I don't know why I bothered dying for you fucks.That's a lie!
Sometimes we throw sticks, rocks, whatever the fuck isn't nailed down. That poop thing is such a stereotype.
I hang corrected.
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#29 2008-11-13 21:50:29
Taint wrote:
I hate to break her heart, but I don't believe any but the most delusional believe America is colorblind. That's one reason the election of Obama was so amazing.
Best part is, she raised 2 black children (and one Korean). Took them in out of the kindness of her heart (or deep repressed need).
Riddle me that one smart people.
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#30 2008-11-13 21:55:52
fnord wrote:
You can believe what you want about your own background. Many of my ancestors were movers and shakers in history, as a result, I can trace my background much further than most Americans. That’s why I know for a fact that I’m not mixed.
My family was in Europe before your family. And we all came out of Africa if one believes the genetics.
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#31 2008-11-13 22:04:49
Emmeran wrote:
Taint wrote:
I hate to break her heart, but I don't believe any but the most delusional believe America is colorblind. That's one reason the election of Obama was so amazing.
Best part is, she raised 2 black children (and one Korean). Took them in out of the kindness of her heart (or deep repressed need).
Riddle me that one smart people.
She sounds like a wonderful person Em. You were blessed in this incarnation!
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#32 2008-11-13 22:12:54
Dmtdust wrote:
Emmeran wrote:
Taint wrote:
I hate to break her heart, but I don't believe any but the most delusional believe America is colorblind. That's one reason the election of Obama was so amazing.
Best part is, she raised 2 black children (and one Korean). Took them in out of the kindness of her heart (or deep repressed need).
Riddle me that one smart people.She sounds like a wonderful person Em. You were blessed in this incarnation!
As you know the farther the pendulumn swings this way, the further it swings the other.
She's also the best shot I've ever met (and I'm very good), was Woman's Nat'l Pistol Champ and had dinner with JFK in the White House.
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#33 2008-11-13 22:34:00
In James Michener's Hawaii, he proposed the "Golden Man", a blending of all "colors" of humanity. Hey, it's a good an idea as any.
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#34 2008-11-13 23:21:11
fnord wrote:
You can believe what you want about your own background. Many of my ancestors were movers and shakers in history, as a result, I can trace my background much further than most Americans. That’s why I know for a fact that I’m not mixed.
What I find amusing is if it ever DID come to pass that you discovered you had black blood in your family tree you would be so completely incapable of dealing with it that your head would explode.
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#35 2008-11-14 00:02:02
Zookeeper wrote:
fnord wrote:
You can believe what you want about your own background. Many of my ancestors were movers and shakers in history, as a result, I can trace my background much further than most Americans. That’s why I know for a fact that I’m not mixed.
What I find amusing is if it ever DID come to pass that you discovered you had black blood in your family tree you would be so completely incapable of dealing with it that your head would explode.
It's a really complicated thing..... The rational part of my brain tells me that all people and all animals are equal, but psychologically I'm wired to be xenophobic.... Rationally I'd be fine with having black ancestry and as a big fan of human evolution I have to accept a common ancestor... No matter how hard I try though, there will always be that part of my brain that disdains the idea that I'm anything other than Western European.... I take a lot of pride in that 3/4 of my ancestry comes from England and 1/4 from Germany.... It doesn't make sense outside of an evolutionary standpoint, but it really is there.....
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#36 2008-11-14 01:36:15
headkicker_girl wrote:
There are entire branches of my family, on both sides, that have disappeared because they have gone white. They simply moved to a different town, changed their name, stated that they had no living relatives, and made a fresh start.
Slightly different, because as far as I know race wasn't an issue, my maternal grandfather ran away from home in Kansas, I believe, when he was just a teenager. Eventually, he ended up in Nebraska where he changed his history as well as his name. He married, fathering my mother and her siblings and until about 1980, none of us were any the wiser about his past.
It wasn't until my aunt was traveling through the parts of Nebraska in which he claimed to have grown up that she discovered he had lied about his past. Through deeper digging, we finally uncovered an entire branch of family we knew nothing about. Since then, the families have reconnected, but I agree - it is quite possible for people to drop off the planet. Or, at least, it was.
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