#2 2009-04-02 21:19:31

The jury awarded Churchill only $1 in damages

They gave the dick-head too much.

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#3 2009-04-02 23:45:41

This asshole should never be hired for another academic position.  He is guilty of plagiarism and Affirmative Action fraud.  He claimed to be Indian, because no White man with such shoddy credentials would ever have been hired.

From Wikipedia: The Rocky Mountain News, in 2005, published a genealogy of Churchill, and reported "no evidence of a single Indian ancestor" [of Churchill's]. The News reports that both of Churchill's birth parents are listed as white on the 1930 census, as are all of his other known ancestors on previous censuses and other official documents.[25] The Denver Post's genealogical investigation resulted in the same conclusion.

Documents in Churchill’s university personnel file show that he was granted tenure in a "special opportunity position."[12] Such positions were later described as a program designed to help "recruit and hire a more diverse faculty."[2]

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#4 2009-04-02 23:48:24

Zookeeper wrote:

The jury awarded Churchill only $1 in damages

They gave the dick-head too much.

Yeah, he should've sued on anti-trust grounds; he'd have won $3

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#5 2009-04-03 00:04:03

fnord wrote:

This asshole should never be hired for another academic position.  He is guilty of plagiarism and Affirmative Action fraud.  He claimed to be Indian, because no White man with such shoddy credentials would ever have been hired.

From Wikipedia: The Rocky Mountain News, in 2005, published a genealogy of Churchill, and reported "no evidence of a single Indian ancestor" [of Churchill's]. The News reports that both of Churchill's birth parents are listed as white on the 1930 census, as are all of his other known ancestors on previous censuses and other official documents.[25] The Denver Post's genealogical investigation resulted in the same conclusion.

Documents in Churchill’s university personnel file show that he was granted tenure in a "special opportunity position."[12] Such positions were later described as a program designed to help "recruit and hire a more diverse faculty."[2]

Well there are plenty of Indians/part Indians who are not on any Tribal Registry.  DNA is often the only solution.

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#6 2009-04-03 00:11:31

Dmtdust wrote:

fnord wrote:

This asshole should never be hired for another academic position.  He is guilty of plagiarism and Affirmative Action fraud.  He claimed to be Indian, because no White man with such shoddy credentials would ever have been hired.

From Wikipedia: The Rocky Mountain News, in 2005, published a genealogy of Churchill, and reported "no evidence of a single Indian ancestor" [of Churchill's]. The News reports that both of Churchill's birth parents are listed as white on the 1930 census, as are all of his other known ancestors on previous censuses and other official documents.[25] The Denver Post's genealogical investigation resulted in the same conclusion.

Documents in Churchill’s university personnel file show that he was granted tenure in a "special opportunity position."[12] Such positions were later described as a program designed to help "recruit and hire a more diverse faculty."[2]

Well there are plenty of Indians/part Indians who are not on any Tribal Registry.  DNA is often the only solution.

D

It's worthy of note that back then Mexicans were considered white on a lot of those forms as well.  It's not impossible that they had American Indian ancestry.

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#7 2009-04-03 00:18:55

In the old days, the one-drop rule was also applied to Indians.  There is no way Indian ancestors would have been consistently listed as White.  I find it interesting that his personnel file makes it clear he was given tenure in spite of his lack of qualifications because of his alleged Indian ancestry.

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#8 2009-04-03 10:06:58

You want to see the worlds whitest Indians, go hang around Sedona or Tucson or any powwow in Massachusetts. I think that once you own 100 dream catchers and at least 10 paintings of wolves on black velvet you should automatically get induction into the Indian tribe of your choice.

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#9 2009-04-03 10:11:33

tojo2000 wrote:

It's worthy of note that back then Mexicans were considered white on a lot of those forms as well.  It's not impossible that they had American Indian ancestry.

Until very recently within my lifetime, Mexicans were not considered White by the US government or anyone else unless they or their parents were from Spain.  The link below is submitted to document this.


http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Gr … 0674005358

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#10 2009-04-03 10:20:47

GooberMcNutly wrote:

You want to see the worlds whitest Indians, go hang around Sedona or Tucson or any powwow in Massachusetts. I think that once you own 100 dream catchers and at least 10 paintings of wolves on black velvet you should automatically get induction into the Indian tribe of your choice.

I've been to Sedona and Flagstaff and have seen many Indians who look like Indians.  The "White Indians" in Arizona are Self-Hating White Yuppies who don’t appreciate their good fortune in being born White and would prefer to be Indian.  I’ve heard that the “Casino Indians” in the East are often negroes or White trash who claim to be Indian because of the tribal profit distributions.

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#11 2009-04-03 11:16:22

Anyone with roots in the Southeast or lower Midwest has an Indian or two in the ancestral wood shed, including me.  However, if a person and his parents and grandparents have lived as white folk for generations, as has Churchill, it's simply fraud to steal a "special opportunity position" from a real Indian.  The guy is a fraud on so many levels that he should be run out of town, not given back his job.  The real Indians should be on the war path over this asshole.

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#12 2009-04-03 12:52:34

http://www.aimovement.org/moipr/churchill05.html

I have a close friend who was at Wounded Knee.  I will ask him about Mr. Churchill.

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#13 2009-04-04 00:05:47

"if you make it a practice of killing other people's babies for personal gain ... eventually they're going to give you a taste of the same thing."

Something tells me this guy is into a couple of other "causes." Referring to adults killed on 9/11 as babies (let alone 'Eichmanns,' which I totally do not get) implies he has some protectionist view about life that will soon have a second career in picketing/bombing Planned Parenthood clinics. Perhaps he has it confused with the Oklahoma bombing. Maybe the university was too PC, but the guy's still a douche.

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#14 2009-04-04 01:07:56

phreddy wrote:

Anyone with roots in the Southeast or lower Midwest has an Indian or two in the ancestral wood shed, including me.  However, if a person and his parents and grandparents have lived as white folk for generations, as has Churchill, it's simply fraud to steal a "special opportunity position" from a real Indian.  The guy is a fraud on so many levels that he should be run out of town, not given back his job.  The real Indians should be on the war path over this asshole.

Dmtdust wrote:

Well there are plenty of Indians/part Indians who are not on any Tribal Registry.  DNA is often the only solution.

Many Whites believe they have a Cherokee Princess Slut in their background who spawned with Whites and bequeathed them some small smattering of Native American Ancestry.  The Cherokee no longer have royalty, since all of their female royalty appear to have whored themselves out to Whites.  Seriously though, many if not most Whites who believe themselves to have Native ancestry are mistaken.

Case in point, relatives of Ward Churchill underwent DNA testing which proved they were of Northern European origin with no hint of Indian admixture; this in spite of their belief they had Native ancestors.


http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/l … 49,00.html

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#15 2009-04-04 03:55:19

Fnord, you exceed your expected Douchebaggery every time you expect that people want an expert on White lineage.  You really are a useless piece of shit, and I would relish the opportunity to tell you so in person, though I doubt I shall ever have the pleasure.

Yes, it's an old joke to say that you're part Cherokee, because it was one of the tribes that mixed with Whites the most.  Everyone with any trace of Cherokee (or relatives who claim as much) knows that.  But to hold this man, who is a crazy crackpot who compares victims of the WTC plane crashes to Nazi generals as an example of anything other than that the limits of human depravity and insanity know no bounds just shows your own stupidity.  Fnord, you're worse than an asshole.  We're mostly all assholes here.  You're guilty of something far worse.  You hold fast to an ideology that is patently stupid, and that's something that can never be forgiven.

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#16 2009-04-04 05:27:44

tojo2000 wrote:

Fnord, you exceed your expected Douchebaggery every time you expect that people want an expert on White lineage.  You really are a useless piece of shit, and I would relish the opportunity to tell you so in person, though I doubt I shall ever have the pleasure.

Yes, it's an old joke to say that you're part Cherokee, because it was one of the tribes that mixed with Whites the most.  Everyone with any trace of Cherokee (or relatives who claim as much) knows that.  But to hold this man, who is a crazy crackpot who compares victims of the WTC plane crashes to Nazi generals as an example of anything other than that the limits of human depravity and insanity know no bounds just shows your own stupidity.  Fnord, you're worse than an asshole.  We're mostly all assholes here.  You're guilty of something far worse.  You hold fast to an ideology that is patently stupid, and that's something that can never be forgiven.

Hmm. And I thought I was the only one doing this without answer. "Some of them want to abuse you // Some of them want to be abused." I really don't think we have Fnord figured out as well as we'd like. It's not like he's mysterious. It's more like he's a coward. Do we have room for those here, Tojo?

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#17 2009-04-04 15:51:25

pALEPHx wrote:

tojo2000 wrote:

Fnord, you exceed your expected Douchebaggery every time you expect that people want an expert on White lineage.  You really are a useless piece of shit, and I would relish the opportunity to tell you so in person, though I doubt I shall ever have the pleasure.

Yes, it's an old joke to say that you're part Cherokee, because it was one of the tribes that mixed with Whites the most.  Everyone with any trace of Cherokee (or relatives who claim as much) knows that.  But to hold this man, who is a crazy crackpot who compares victims of the WTC plane crashes to Nazi generals as an example of anything other than that the limits of human depravity and insanity know no bounds just shows your own stupidity.  Fnord, you're worse than an asshole.  We're mostly all assholes here.  You're guilty of something far worse.  You hold fast to an ideology that is patently stupid, and that's something that can never be forgiven.

Hmm. And I thought I was the only one doing this without answer. "Some of them want to abuse you // Some of them want to be abused." I really don't think we have Fnord figured out as well as we'd like. It's not like he's mysterious. It's more like he's a coward. Do we have room for those here, Tojo?

We have room for everybody.  Sometimes I can't resist the urge to call people assholes, but it doesn't mean we don't have a big tent.  Maybe more of a big top.

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#18 2009-04-04 15:53:54

Eichmann was a General?  Heavens, who would of known?

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#19 2009-04-04 15:55:54

tojo2000 wrote:

We have room for everybody.  Sometimes I can't resist the urge to call people assholes, but it doesn't mean we don't have a big tent.  Maybe more of a big top.

I don't know if I am ready for the big top with all the swells. I think I will stay in the close confines of the sideshow for now.

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#20 2009-04-04 16:08:06

My family on my father's side has a substantial amount of Cherokee infusion, but that's not unusual in the part of Arkansas where I grew up. We've been there since well before the Civil War, and there was a great deal of cross border (Oklahoma/Arkansas) traffic. We occasionally make trips to Talequah just to reconnect, but I'm a white guy, and no one in my dad's immediate family identifies as Indian, either. Pretty much everyone looks Indian, however: high cheekbones, darker skin, hair, and eyes. In my case, that ended with my father, however: Mom's family is about as lily white as you can be (Scots/English/Irish) and while I got the facial structure from Dad, I got the coloring from Mom. I am, of course, devastatingly handsome for it all.

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#21 2009-04-04 17:53:03

I think Fnord should be as welcome as the next person. He's only a racist because he's working out his own longstanding neuroses on us (of which I have many, just not the same ones), and better on us than out in the world.

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#22 2009-04-04 17:59:49

What Toe said.

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#23 2009-04-05 21:37:07

Taint wrote:

I am, of course, devastatingly handsome for it all.

I've seen his most recent profile pic on another site, and can agree it's very flattering and quite butch.

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#24 2009-04-05 21:56:58

pALEPHx wrote:

Taint wrote:

I am, of course, devastatingly handsome for it all.

I've seen his most recent profile pic on another site, and can agree it's very flattering and quite butch.

So what is the site?

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#25 2009-04-05 22:03:53

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#26 2009-04-05 23:08:31

Dmtdust wrote:

pALEPHx wrote:

Taint wrote:

I am, of course, devastatingly handsome for it all.

I've seen his most recent profile pic on another site, and can agree it's very flattering and quite butch.

So what is the site?

If I had wanted to reveal it, I would have, but as it's neither my profile or my pic, then I'll leave it to Taint to share if he deigns to. I'm sure he can just copy off the pic and reload it here if he chooses to.

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#27 2009-04-05 23:17:18

His food critic pic looks like someone I wouldn't kick out of bed for eating crackers.



I'd kick him out of bed because Good God, man, what the fuck are you doing in my bed?!?

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#28 2009-04-05 23:25:53

tojo2000 wrote:

We're mostly all assholes here.

Here I thought you were completely devoid of any trace of reality.

I'm happy to say, you have proven me wrong!

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#29 2009-04-07 18:07:22

"It's not about the money."

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2009/ap … ulder-job/

http://www.pritchettcartoons.com/caricatures/wardc.gif

Churchill said, in the end, it's up to him whether to accept reinstatement if it is awarded.

He would first have to assess whether CU, which he said had "degenerated to a not very glorified vo-tec, a trade school" still met his standards.

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#30 2009-04-07 18:19:21

Dmtdust wrote:

http://www.aimovement.org/moipr/churchill05.html

I have a close friend who was at Wounded Knee.  I will ask him about Mr. Churchill.

I actually have a wounded knee right now. Torn ACL from 1st beer league softball game of the year. Surgery pending and it hurts like a spiked cock. I don't feel or look very much like an Indian though, mabey I did it wrong.

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#31 2009-04-07 23:56:15

http://www.justanotherbad.com/UserFiles/image/camouflagekitteh.jpg

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